cb07tl

Hey ya'll.

I have an 07 TL, and it only has 28000 miles. I have taken the car in for all services and it has new tires on it as well. Yet and still i only get 200 to 220 miles out of a tank. I work about 8 miles from my home and work 5 days a week. I have read other threads about this same issue, but i havent seen a really clear answer. What can i do?

Jackass

If you are driving in the city in stop and go traffic and/or have a lead foot, expect to get under 20mpg. Going off of 200 miles and 14 gallons of fuel that is about 15mpg which sounds about right for pure city driving. My mixed commute usually gets me about 23-25mpg and I do not have a lead foot by any means.

If this is an issue, your only option is to sell the TL and move to something with a smaller engine like a TSX. The TL is a pig when it comes to MPG in the city.

SouthernBoy

Yeah, I'm only getting a little over 24 MPG for my in-town and around home driving (winter of course.. summer it's a little better).

supra98

24MPG in city is much better than 15MPG.... My inline 5 gets better in-city MPG, and its a 3.5... yah i havent seen a clear answer yet because i thought these cars were supposed to do way better in city..

justnspace

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No, this is normal for city driving.
where our cars shine is the highway.


Everyone that complains about city mileage should go and buy a four cylinder.

cb07tl

Thats what i thought too, b/c the window sticker said 21 city, but its all good though lol

justnspace

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LOl at this guy who goes with the window sticker.
window sticker isnt real world mileage, my dear.

cb07tl

Thanks to everyone who gave a helpful answer!

justnspace

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this is your answer.
stop looking for something that isnt there.

How many stop lights do you encounter on your 8 mile trip to work?
are you gunning it at each stop light!?

cb07tl

obviously...if your not going to help, please go do something else, i dont have time for childish antics. get a grip.

justnspace

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I apologize.
but if you read the threads and see that every one else is getting the same mileage as you, what does that tell you?

cb07tl

1. it tells me its a common thing
2. if you read my question, you would see the only reason i posted this thread is b/c i did not see a straight forward answer. hence why we are even having this convo right now. so.....once again...i have my answer. thanks. i appreciate it.

nj2pa2nc

Time to take that car on a longer drive on a highway. Nothing worse on a car than short distance trips.

justnspace

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i bet we get another one of these threads, tomorrow.
or at best next week.

sanmh0

I would like to just add minor... I took my TL out on a 500 mile hwy trip and have seen my mileage increase, not by much at least an extra 30 miles per tank and my alignment feels better! even got a ticket since I was going 93! took defer probation for 225!! ouch! slow down! but that really helped, the car performs better, I think that's essential for your engine, take it on long trips at high speeds... city driving kills it and mpg.

Good luck..

SouthernBoy

You may have noticed my slightly sarcastic comment in post #3 where I said that all I get was a little over 24 MPG in the colder months. While it may have appeared sarcasm, it was actually quite true. So don't believe that unusually low city/around town mileage is common with our cars because this is just not completely factual.

Also, get away from thinking how many miles you get from a tank because that is never going to tell you what your MPG is. To get that information, you really should calculate it yourself. For your edification, the best mileage I ever managed with my '04 manual TL for a week of work commuting, through residential areas and a small city, stop lights and stop signs, and with moderately heavy traffic was during the summer a year after I bought the car was 27.98 MPG. The year prior, I managed 26.142 for the same set of circumstances with the exception of using the A/C more than half the time and the car had less than 800 miles on it.

Hope this helps.

cb07tl

Yea, i think thats what ill do pretty soon. Thanks!

cb07tl

Thanks for the help ya'll!

Bucks13

Ok, I'm going to add to this thread a little in hopes someone can give me an opinion. I understand that our cars do not always have the best mileage, however, I used to get about 29 mpg (mostly highway commute). I calculate my mileage manually every fill up, and it has declined about 2 mpg every fill up the past 4 or 5 weeks. Was at 29, then 26, 24, and most recently 22.6. My driving habits have not changed, and it's the same daily drive to work, gym, home. I did remove my stock intake resonator, but it didn't seem to drop until a month or so after I did that.

Any filter/fluid/tune up problem possibilities?

vtec22

hey, i had the same problem like a month ago. In the city i get between 234-250 MPG on the highway around 320 MPG. When you will go more then 15 Miles on the highway your gas milage will jump up up up. It onced jumped from 78 Miles to 123 Miles. I drive normally and after like 3 days I look on the gas gauge and it's almost and at the half of the tank lol. I never pay attention to this anymore the car is made like that that's it. BTW I also work 8 miles away from my house ;-)

SouthernBoy

If you could actually prove this, I mean really document it, I would give you $100.

Andy Tsang

Another thing that might be a cause of the poor gas mileage is that winter fuel has additives in it so due to the extreme cold. Im not sure where you live but this might be one of the causes.

SouthernBoy

It is normal for your mileage to decrease in the colder months for two primary reasons. But not to the tune of a 6.4 MPG drop. That works out to a 22% reduction in fuel economy which is HUGE. Assuming nothing else had changed, your driving habits route, brand of fuel, tires, or anything else, this is abnormal for sure and I would definitely spend the effort to document it to see what might be wrong. You might also want to have the exhaust checked to see that all is well getting out of the engine and through the cats.

One question. Do you notice ANY difference in the driveability of the car, it responsiveness and smoothness of engine operation or is it the same as it was before you began to see this decline?

Turbonut

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EPA fuel mileage is only 18/26, and the city driving test is done at 75 degrees, so short driving in cold climate will see the MPG fall rapidly.

vtec22

Southern Boy I will not play any retarted games ok, like I said those are the numbers I got and I have nothing to lie about!

stvtec

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I bet your tire pressure is low. Or at least lower than it was 4-5 weeks ago.

SouthernBoy

I suggest you re-check your retarded post and/or numbers then, because there is no way in hell you got that mileage.

SouthernBoy

Right. Additives and the cold will adversely affect one's mileage. Cold air is dense and therefore contains more oxygen than does warm air. This will result in a leaner mixture reading by the OX sensor so the ECU will compensate by increasing the fuel shot to the cylinders. You burn more fuel burn you get more power.

However the OP is reporting a significant drop in mileage and he says he calculates his mileage so he should have a good handle on what he's seeing. If his numbers are right and there has been nothing else of an obvious nature that may be the culprit, then he could have a problem.

stvtec

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320 MPG w00t sign me up

justnspace

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Southernboy, check his previous threads.....
he likes to drive 100+

SouthernBoy

You know I don't mean the fellow any ill will... even though he inferred that I was playing "retarted games" [sic]. But he HAS to believe that when he reports a range of 234 to 320 MPG for his TL, he is going to get called down on that one. I mean, think about it. With a highway mileage of "around 320 MPG", he could drive across the United States and over half way back on just 15 gallons of fuel. Now come on. Does anyone believe this?

nfnsquared

Huh? I know winter fuel is not oxygenated as is "summer" fuel (an EPA requirement to reduce pollution in the hotter months), so one will get better mileage on summer gas than winter gas because of the oxygenation.

What winter additives are you referring to?

I hate cars

As I say every single time these threads come up once a week....... Your average mpg is directly related to your average mph. You may think nothing has changed but the mph will tell the truth.

SouthernBoy

When I lived in Arlington, it was the colder months when we saw oxygenated fuels and not the warmer ones. I think they do this where I live now but have never thought to check it out. I never knew that gasoline was oxygenated for the warmer months. It wasn't here (isn't??) and with a population of around 4 million in the metropolitan DC area, that means a lot of gas-burning vehicles.

nfnsquared

The EPA summer requirement is for 15 metropolitan areas from 15 Apr to 15 Sep. It's implemented by state. Many states have voluntarily implemented it statewide.

And apparently there are state winter programs as well, which I was not aware of:

http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/fuels/420b08006.pdf

I hate cars

It's pretty neat how oxygenated fuels were designed for carbureted cars which have not been sold in the US since '87. On a fuel injected car, the 02 compensates and adds fuel for the same AF so the only thing we see is a reduction in mpg. Pretty sad the way they do things.

SouthernBoy

When I had my '88 Mustang LX 302CID, I did several very careful fuel mileage checks during the winter months and noted a 14% reduction in fuel economy which I attributed to the oxygenation of the fuel.

SouthernBoy

When I had my '88 Mustang LX 302CID, I did several very careful fuel mileage checks during the winter months and noted a 14% reduction in fuel economy which I attributed to the oxygenation of the fuel.

Hey IHC. Did you get my PM from last week?

I hate cars

I didn't. In fact I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me because I thought I saw one from you as I was going through them and then it wasn't there. I hope I did not accidentally delete it. If so I apologize. Going to empty my inbox right now.

Turbonut

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Should account for about a 2% reduction, barely noticeable.