Dime Feng

New Map 3.2 Rev
Skipped the rest because not much changes, and this one has the least knocks. This one is pretty close to final tune.

pandor

Thx Dime Feng.
Updated my cal to reflect the changes in your 2.3 rev.

Same amount of knock. So i uploaded the hondata maf basemap and the same deal. High knock count on cil #1 and the number goes down going up in cilinders.
Something like #1:90 #2:60 #3:35 #4:0. Something must be up with the engine(bay) i dont trust these numbers.

Valves, injectors,... maybe?....

ssjoeboe9

I might try that 3.2 to see if it works on manual yet.

pandor

Have you tried importing the tables and settings into a MT basemap?

Dime Feng

So I was wondering... Since the AT is 5 gears and MT is 6 gears, would that affect anything? I know for a fact our 3rd gear goes up to 115mph (or atleaste mine does) and for the Mt its around 90-100 ish. Maybe the timing is wrong due to the gearing?

ssjoeboe9

Im not sure I know how to do this.. other than to open up a new cal and Dime's cal comparing the data and manually changing the values.

There's nothing (to my knowledge) that differentiates an A/T vs M/T when you are making changes in Hondata. I could have completely missed the boat on this one though

This seems to be a very valid point... I have no idea how this affects the cars differently when uploading maps.

Maybe this is why VIT was so adamant about A/T and M/T maps not being interchangeable??

Jaheri_cbp

Yeah vit seems like he knows what he's doing/saying

Prototype

Hi guys. Just finished reading this entire thread!

The camaraderie in this thread is quite amazing! I would like to jump in the mix now. But I am terrified of engine tuning. I'll probably have mine registered and attached to the TSX today or tomorrow.

Question: Can I run a datalog of the OEM map before uploading one of the Hondata preloaded maps? Sorry, completely newb question. Feel free to flame on.


-Joshua

iCrap

Yes, you can run logs on the OEM map. Just plug it in and hit datalog on the FlashPro.

ssjoeboe9

If you just ordered your flashpro new, check out hondata. They just released a phone app that will sync to your fp and you can see live data or your phone or tablet

Prototype

I bought my mine back in Dec. Not sure if the App is compatible with mine. I'll look into it. Good looking out sir!


Also, a few of you talked about getting a supercharger setup. Are you guys looking at a custom Kraftwerks setup or going with CT setup? I am a few pennies....errr thousands of dollars away from getting a CT setup. Looking forward to it as well.

ssjoeboe9

My SC may or may not be on its way right meow!!

xtcnrice

That new thread maiku started really got me excited (I know... Hondata might just decide to flop, but still), so I just read this entire thread as well. Never bothered before since I knew the 11+ TSXs aren't supported.

I must say, kudos to you guys for working together in testing out these maps. As of right now this thread feels like one of those movies/novels that just leave you hanging (since the AT guys are waiting for Dime Feng's final map lol).

Hopefully if/when Hondata does support the 11+ TSX, I can start contributing to the community too.

PS: Sorry I know, this probably wasn't the bump you were looking for lol

iCrap

Yeah still waiting on that final map. But with the last one he uploaded the car seriously hauls ass compared to stock.

Dime Feng

lol sorry guys I went on vacation.
Probably have a new map this monday and ill upload.

ssjoeboe9

I was gunna try the other map, but if last one is coming soon then I'll just wait.. wanna see if I'm still throwing codes.

xtcnrice

joe you getting an e-tune from Vit when your car is ready?

ssjoeboe9

Yes I will be buying an etune from Vit when I do my aftercooler install.

I'm just gunna run the std calibration thats preloaded on the FlashPro for the SC kit when first installed.

I expect close to 70hp gain which should be plenty of fun driving until I get the aftercooler on and tuned specifically for my mods.

Dime Feng

Do u think u can get 300+ HP with an s/c + aftercooler?
I was planning to get an rbc manifold + cams next and then turbo, but if an s/c can get me 300+ I might go that route instead cuz its cheeper.

iCrap

I think he will hit or be near 300 after it's all done.

Dime Feng you also have the auto right? I was thinking boosting the auto might not be worth it... i dunno.

UTAH TSX

It's worth it with an auto mine is holding up fine at well over 400 WHP and I still average 24 MPG and that is with quite a bit of WOT blasts just cant help it that spool up and blow off valve is such a sweet sound LOL

iCrap

I just worry about the reliability on the auto. But I mean do you WOT quite a bit? And it's fine?

Yeah i really wanna turbo mine...

ssjoeboe9

Yeah I expect to be 300HP+ when done.. There should be no problem hitting that number.

Civic Si guys are getting ~325hp with pretty much the same setup.

I hope that I can provide everyone with some info as I upgrade the car. I probably won't have dyno numbers until the last stage of the build, just cause it's so expensive to get on the dyno. But, hopefully I can get a boost gauge and tell everyone exactly what the boost pressure is from the kit, then again with an aftercooler, and again with aftercooler +smaller blower pulley. Then Ill shoot a couple of videos or something...

Just gotta figure out this shifting problem mehhh. Looking into upgraded clutches now. I am in contact with SPEC to try and get a 9th gen civic Stage 2 clutch. Supposedly those are compatible with our cars without changing the flywheel.

Dime Feng

This map should be maxed out for people with stock intake/headers/exhaust. 2 or 3 more maps left but their all going to be fuel cleanup and trying to smooth out things for my car. 12 knock counts total on this map driving around 30 minutes smashing on my car. Regular cruising got 0 knocks, the 12 knock counts only happened when doing WOT 2nd gear pull.
Honestly I got more knocks from the stock map lol... So I'm pretty sure this is safe.

I do not recommend using any future maps that I upload if u are stock. This is Final tune for stock.

xtcnrice

hey Dime Feng, I remember you commented on improved MPG when you started using the Hondata. This still the case with the Vit-maps?

Dime Feng

Yeh it raised 1-2 mpg when I dont beat on the pedal lol, but honestly i beat on my car so much now that it actually dropped.
I average 22-23 mpg on stock map it raised to 25 after tune.

iCrap

I get 24.5 MPG on the tune before that final one. gonna try that final one tomorrow. I got like 19MPG when it was stock.

optimusaccord

If you don't change the flywheel, you do have to resurface the flywheel.

ssjoeboe9

I found out that even though the 9th gen civic has same engine/ trans as us their flywheel is 17.1lbs and ours is 20lbs

Looks like a no go for that swap

rezare

That doesn't really matter as long as bolt pattern is the same. Weight doesn't matter for the clutch.

The problem with 09 tsx and previous aftermarket clutches was that the bolt pattern was different, that's why they don't go together and you had to get an 8th civic flywheel. So you should check it the bolt pattern for the 9th civic and 09 tsx is the same, and if so they will work together, regardless if the flywheel is actually the same or not.

ssjoeboe9

That's exactly what I have been asking all of the suppliers.. and no one has an answer. I even asked Axion, but he never got back to me about it. I thought the sensor only cared about flywheel weight so it didn't make sense to me that if the clutch fit (bolt pattern) then why would I have to switch the flywheel at all.

Im nervous about buying just the clutch pack when no supplier can give me a straight answer about the flywheel.

rezare

I'm inclined to think the 9th civic clutch will work on our tsxes, because they too swaped they flywheels to 8th gen until now if they wanted aftermarket clutches, so their bolt pattern is probably the same as ours. I don't think Honda changed that in just a few years on basically the same engine/trans.

ssjoeboe9

I looked at both parts, and the bolt pattern is the same with 8mm bolts but the bolts look like they had different part #'s / attributes. I am at work, but haven't checked to see if they are special type of tapered bolts or what..

edit**

Our bolts- 90034-689-000BOLT, TWELVE POINT (8MM) (TOKAI TRW)
Civic Bolts- 90034-P10-A01BOLT, TWELVE POINT (8MM) (ROCKNEL FASTENER)


Edit** NVM I was looking at the wrong bolts. looks like they are both 12mm

optimusaccord

Shit son, I just realized this... Hit me up on FB. I can send you a picture of the 09 tsx Flywheel this weekend.

I have one sitting in my garage, that came out of my car. I can also include a picture of the stock clutch if you want. I already have pics of the 8th gen civic SPEC clutch/flywheel. Those don't help... but still.

ssjoeboe9

haha now Im confused looking at the diagram which bolts we are concerned with. I think my post above is correct that the 8mm bolts are different. Those are the ones we want to check to make sure they fit from the civic. the bolts that attatch the pressure plate to the flywheel. right?

Send me a PM so I can find you on FB

optimusaccord

The center bolts for the center of the FW to the crank are the same.

We are talking about the outside where the pressure plate attaches to the flywheel.

ssjoeboe9

So we don't pollute this thread with clutch talk I am going to start a new thread to continue.

ssjoeboe9

Tried Dime Fengs Final tune for stock, still throwing TPMS and check engine code. Must be a manual thing.

Uploaded Optimus' cal which was tuned for DP and already and had O2 sensor off. Forgot how low VTEC was in that calibration haha

optimusaccord

Lower vtec engagement is always better.

There is a reason that since the days of VAFC people have been lowering the vtec point.

On my 98 accord turbo setup my vtec engagement was at 2900 RPM, so long as the motor had positive pressure.

It's the way it's supposed to be.

ssjoeboe9

MOAR POWWWA

annnnd unfortunately

MOAR KNOCKS lol... probably gunna flash speed density with 2nd O2 off and VTEC at 5000 then maybe try live tuning again.

Although I can't live tune ANY fuel tables. It will be the only thing I select and it shows "not enough storage" how is that possible?