car start but then stall problem, anyone can help?
#81
I am having the same problem and it is very frustrating. My car starts but idles extremely low at maybe 250-300 RPMs. After the car stays on for maybe 2-4 minutes it sputters and shuts off.
When I first noticed the problem the car would idle at around 750-850 RPMs ( which it never did) and when I would brake or put the car in park the idle would drop really fast and shake violently or just cut off completely. The problem gradually got worse and now the car just doesn't stay running at all.
I'm pretty clueless so I just took my car to the shop. He's going to run a diagnostic and find out what could be wrong with it. Before the car was brought into the shop the TB and IAVC were cleaned. If this mechanic fixes the problem, I'll update you all as to what can be done and how much it may cost to repair.
When I first noticed the problem the car would idle at around 750-850 RPMs ( which it never did) and when I would brake or put the car in park the idle would drop really fast and shake violently or just cut off completely. The problem gradually got worse and now the car just doesn't stay running at all.
I'm pretty clueless so I just took my car to the shop. He's going to run a diagnostic and find out what could be wrong with it. Before the car was brought into the shop the TB and IAVC were cleaned. If this mechanic fixes the problem, I'll update you all as to what can be done and how much it may cost to repair.
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so i used the seafoam and this stuff is great it had my car up and running smooth with a lil more power but after a hour or two i shut the car off and it stalled again so i open my IACV AND INTAKE AND IT WAS SO MUCH CARBIN THAT THE POOR LIL BOTTLE OF SEAFOAM CUDNT GET IT ALL BUT I TELL U IT LEFT A BIG FOG OF SMOKE INTHE PROCESS BAK TO IACV AND INTAKE. ITS BACKED UP A LOT SO IM CLEAN IT TOMOROW WELL TODAY
THANKS FOR THE THREAD AND SEAFOAM ( WILL USE EVERY 3 MONTHS AFTER DONE )
THANKS FOR THE THREAD AND SEAFOAM ( WILL USE EVERY 3 MONTHS AFTER DONE )
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Same problem here. Sometime when i let it sit for 30mins its fine. Usually, happens after I fill up my tank. Once am half empty, problem is gone and has just being repeating this cycle for months.
#86
I've had this problem for over a year.All parts changed from acura dealer-6 Coil packs-6 spark plugs-6 fuel injectors-egr valve-iacv-fuel pressure regulator-coolant temp. sensor- i know you guys talk about "seafoam" but i did the acura alternative i dont know the name but it is the intake manifold cleaner along with the fuel injection treatment. and i also manually removed the intake manifold and cleaned all ports.after i changed the coolant temperature sensor.. it stopped for about 4 months and then came back.. changed the sensor again and NOTHING...i have no clue what it could be. and no one else can figure it out.Only thing i notice to temporarly fix this is to put the car into Drive hold the brake down and give it gas.. put a load on the torque convertor for a few seconds.. and then the hesitation goes away and once you drive away it goes back to normal..Last week i got a new CEL and i believe it was the EVAP code.. does this have to do with the evap canister under the rear drivers side passenger seat under neath the car???
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Well we can knock off "GUMOUT" cleaner with high octane fuel full tank. Used up only a quarter of the tank no highway driving on this tank yet. Will finish the tank this weekend on a long drive but I do not think it will work. Will keep you posted.
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stalling out
well i ran 1 bottles of stp fuel system treatment through each full tank of gas for the last 4 tanks of gas and the stalling has stopped i dont know if there was water in the tank or what but im just happy the stalling has stopped happening! oh yah the stp was about 11.00 dollards a piece and it sure beats a 250.00 ignition swap.
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I've had this problem for over a year.All parts changed from acura dealer-6 Coil packs-6 spark plugs-6 fuel injectors-egr valve-iacv-fuel pressure regulator-coolant temp. sensor- i know you guys talk about "seafoam" but i did the acura alternative i dont know the name but it is the intake manifold cleaner along with the fuel injection treatment. and i also manually removed the intake manifold and cleaned all ports.after i changed the coolant temperature sensor.. it stopped for about 4 months and then came back.. changed the sensor again and NOTHING...i have no clue what it could be. and no one else can figure it out.Only thing i notice to temporarly fix this is to put the car into Drive hold the brake down and give it gas.. put a load on the torque convertor for a few seconds.. and then the hesitation goes away and once you drive away it goes back to normal..Last week i got a new CEL and i believe it was the EVAP code.. does this have to do with the evap canister under the rear drivers side passenger seat under neath the car???
With every thing you replaced it could very easily be a ECU problem.
#91
Yes my friends work @ honda\acura. even their top mechanics can't figure it out.
but if it was a ECU problem, wouldn't it happen all the time?? and not just when the car has been driven for sometime and then starting up again after 15-20min??
i see a lot of people are beginning to have this same issue, and its def. not the coil's like everyone says.
#92
I am having the same problem. Yesterday it got really hot here in Florida. My car would just stop. I mean the radio would go dead the ac would stop working the engine would die the gauges go off. I heard some clicking under the shift stick. Then my son said look dad smoke. Sure enough a wisp of smoke from the steering column. . I dismantelsed the covers on the steering column and found a hot piece (not melteed or anything on the outside)that fit onto the key mechanism shaft. This piece has soldered wires and these terminate into a plug on the drivers side wall under the dash. Is this the ignition switch I am reading about? I found a hot piece on the left side of the steering column. I found that by holding the key with pressure towards start that I could drive it home. What could be putting such a load on the switch that it would smoke. When I hold the switch between start and run I can make the engine run without engaging the starter. I did this with the actual key in the keyway and I also did it to the switch itself leaving the keyway mechanism out of the physical circuit. I did however have to leave the key in the keyway for the engine to start. Without the programable key in the keyway I would get no spark at all. Clarifying I removed the switch from the keyway shaft and and turned it with a screwdriver.
What items may be in the run circuit that may be bypassed by holding the key close enough to start to use the start circuit to run the car?
Does this sound like the starter swith it self or could something ( I have no wiring diagram anymore.) else be in the run circuit that prevents the car from starting or shuts it down at low rpm’s.
What items may be in the run circuit that may be bypassed by holding the key close enough to start to use the start circuit to run the car?
Does this sound like the starter swith it self or could something ( I have no wiring diagram anymore.) else be in the run circuit that prevents the car from starting or shuts it down at low rpm’s.
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I am having the same problem. Yesterday it got really hot here in Florida. My car would just stop. I mean the radio would go dead the ac would stop working the engine would die the gauges go off. I heard some clicking under the shift stick. Then my son said look dad smoke. Sure enough a wisp of smoke from the steering column. . I dismantelsed the covers on the steering column and found a hot piece (not melteed or anything on the outside)that fit onto the key mechanism shaft. This piece has soldered wires and these terminate into a plug on the drivers side wall under the dash. Is this the ignition switch I am reading about? I found a hot piece on the left side of the steering column. I found that by holding the key with pressure towards start that I could drive it home. What could be putting such a load on the switch that it would smoke. When I hold the switch between start and run I can make the engine run without engaging the starter. I did this with the actual key in the keyway and I also did it to the switch itself leaving the keyway mechanism out of the physical circuit. I did however have to leave the key in the keyway for the engine to start. Without the programable key in the keyway I would get no spark at all. Clarifying I removed the switch from the keyway shaft and and turned it with a screwdriver.
What items may be in the run circuit that may be bypassed by holding the key close enough to start to use the start circuit to run the car?
Does this sound like the starter swith it self or could something ( I have no wiring diagram anymore.) else be in the run circuit that prevents the car from starting or shuts it down at low rpm’s.
What items may be in the run circuit that may be bypassed by holding the key close enough to start to use the start circuit to run the car?
Does this sound like the starter swith it self or could something ( I have no wiring diagram anymore.) else be in the run circuit that prevents the car from starting or shuts it down at low rpm’s.
I replaced the main relay wc I think controls
the fuel supply to the engine & the ignition.
This is just under the driver side dash and
is factory named Mitsuba or something.
Car runs excellent and no more rough idle and/or
engine shake.Costs around $65 from dealer.
May be worth your try.
#94
This problem is starting to drive me crazy. It is happening with greater regularity now. Last night I had a smell of some electrical burning and noticed a small amount of smoke coming from my dash. I immediately pulled over but was unable to locate the source of the smoke. I made it home, but would still like to fix this problem once and for all.
#95
Hi everyone,
I'm fresh to this site, not sure how everything work yet, but I have read some posts already and they seem to really helpful.
I have a problem I would like to ask you guys before I take it to the acura dealer... (so expensive )
my tl has almost 300k on it now, a few months ago the problem started.. (around jan, but its happening more often now) any
the car start without a breeze and engine sounds pretty healthy (from what I hear,but i'm not very technical with cars) but the RPM is really low... around 500 or some, sometimes even lower than that, if i'm quick I give it a little gas and it would be ok when i shift to gear, but if i'm a little slow on the gas, the car just dies, at times this would happen 2 or 3 times before I can get the car moving.
yesterday i went to a local mechanic and he say it MIGHT be carbon build up in the throttle body and other places, and he said this problem happens with the honda brand cars and everytime he tries the throttle body cleaning stuff the rpm goes crazy... anyway i took it to part source and the guy there recommended the seafoam cleaner... I did it last night, 1/3 in the intake, 1/3 in the gas tank, and the other 1/3 i will wait closer to my next oil change.
but as far as i can tell the problem is still there... I havnt made any changes to the car except rotors and pads on all 4
anyone out there might have any idea or experience the same thing?
answers are appreciated
I'm fresh to this site, not sure how everything work yet, but I have read some posts already and they seem to really helpful.
I have a problem I would like to ask you guys before I take it to the acura dealer... (so expensive )
my tl has almost 300k on it now, a few months ago the problem started.. (around jan, but its happening more often now) any
the car start without a breeze and engine sounds pretty healthy (from what I hear,but i'm not very technical with cars) but the RPM is really low... around 500 or some, sometimes even lower than that, if i'm quick I give it a little gas and it would be ok when i shift to gear, but if i'm a little slow on the gas, the car just dies, at times this would happen 2 or 3 times before I can get the car moving.
yesterday i went to a local mechanic and he say it MIGHT be carbon build up in the throttle body and other places, and he said this problem happens with the honda brand cars and everytime he tries the throttle body cleaning stuff the rpm goes crazy... anyway i took it to part source and the guy there recommended the seafoam cleaner... I did it last night, 1/3 in the intake, 1/3 in the gas tank, and the other 1/3 i will wait closer to my next oil change.
but as far as i can tell the problem is still there... I havnt made any changes to the car except rotors and pads on all 4
anyone out there might have any idea or experience the same thing?
answers are appreciated
If so what part was replaced if any?
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Hey guys I've been reading and search a lot lately regarding this problem... Although the dealer said they cleaned the throttle body (as well as the ICAV, cauze there is like a by pass or something) I want to take a look at it myself and see if there are any more gunk in there... also I've read some stuff about the EGR... is that easy to clean?
if anyone has any idea of how to clean one or both, please share (best with pics with the locations of the ICAV and EGR). or even better if anyone know if there is a DIY somewhere with pics, it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance.
if anyone has any idea of how to clean one or both, please share (best with pics with the locations of the ICAV and EGR). or even better if anyone know if there is a DIY somewhere with pics, it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance.
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Chk in ebay how it looks like to give you an idea what you're looking for. I just replaced mine maybe less than a year ago
and currently it idles like new...
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If you're willing to spend around $65 and you're willing to do it yourself, you want to replace your 7 pin main relay box located on the driver side under the steering wheel column area.
Chk in ebay how it looks like to give you an idea what you're looking for. I just replaced mine maybe less than a year ago
and currently it idles like new...
Chk in ebay how it looks like to give you an idea what you're looking for. I just replaced mine maybe less than a year ago
and currently it idles like new...
Awesome... ill check it out. thanks
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http://www.internetautoguide.com/aut.../tl/index.html
apparently there was a recall on the ignition switch. has anyone had this fix with the problems resolving?
apparently there was a recall on the ignition switch. has anyone had this fix with the problems resolving?
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http://www.internetautoguide.com/aut.../tl/index.html
apparently there was a recall on the ignition switch. has anyone had this fix with the problems resolving?
apparently there was a recall on the ignition switch. has anyone had this fix with the problems resolving?
#106
I noticed that my car does somewhat of the same thing. Its been idling low lately and takes awhile to start...after it starts it starts shaking a little bit like it wants to stall but sometimes doesnt. Anybody know what to do about this?
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#110
I'm getting really irritated too because I cannot figure out what is the deal with my car now. My car would stall after driving for a long time, now my car wont stay started, it stalls. BOOO, its been sitting in the garage for almost a month now.
#112
Possibly Solved But How????
Ok, so the problem got progressively worse since my March 2010 post. The symptoms are best described by akegameeesou’s post “ Starts great when cold but after the car has been running for quite some time and then is parked for 20-30 min, incline or not the car starts (cranks over normal) but bogs into a low idle and then dies. I need to keep RPMS in 1500-2100 rpm for about 10-15 sec then let off the gas and it will idle normally.” I work for land developers and drive to many sites during the course of a day (around 10 +/-) and start my car multiple times. It got to the point where the car would stall 3-6 times a day, every day. Once I could almost not get it restarted. I tried taking it into my mechanic (non Acura) and they could not diagnose it without being able to recreate it as the car went in cold. It progressed to the point where the engine lights started to come on after the car stalled out. Both the check engine and TCS. Both eventually turned off but the error codes were for misfires, most recently for all 6 cylinders. Since I needed to get my car the annual air care check by the government, and it would not pass with error codes, I had my mechanic clear the codes then took it in. The car passed. Now don’t laugh, but the stalling has not returned since I had the car air cared on the 30th of April 2011. The vehicle inspection report says “on board diagnostic system interrogated. The following monitors were not set: catalyst, oxygen sensor”. Could they have been reset and that solved the problem? I’ll keep you posted but this is a weird one. Perhaps someone with far more knowledge of these things could comment (this could be anyone)?
Ray
Ray
#113
I think that means the car told the computor it didnt have suffient info on the O2 or cat--due to reset of ecu--which cleared all codes
you have to drive a few days or hours doing various rpms, cruise, and speed up-slow downs to get good info to the system..force the front O2 sensor to do a lot of work
Its to keep people from clearing bad codes/lights and sneaking thru inspection
O2 sensor would make a lot of running problems- it has an electrical resistance spec to test or just get one based on age
have you had a muffler shop test the cat?
multi cyl misfire codes is OFTEN 1 coil going bad
you have to drive a few days or hours doing various rpms, cruise, and speed up-slow downs to get good info to the system..force the front O2 sensor to do a lot of work
Its to keep people from clearing bad codes/lights and sneaking thru inspection
O2 sensor would make a lot of running problems- it has an electrical resistance spec to test or just get one based on age
have you had a muffler shop test the cat?
multi cyl misfire codes is OFTEN 1 coil going bad
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#114
Okay so a few interesting things have been going on with my 99 Acura Tl 3.2, and seems like there's more than one problem but who knows...
First I looked up the symptoms of my car stalling/turning off randomly at stop signs or stop lights and came up with a faulty ignition switch. I replaced it 5 days ago and it's obviously not the problem.
My issues started about 6 months ago and I hardly even realized it was an issue it happened so infrequently. Now it has progressively gotten worse and worse where I am getting scared to even drive it. Like other posts it has stalled after idling low multiple times in a row. I have never had a problem with starting it back up, it has always started right back up. It has "died" with the gages going blank while driving in traffic so it is not just stalling now when I am stopped. It has happened up to 10 times in one day. The ignition switch recall was replaced in 2002 and like I said above, 5 days ago my fiance put in a brand new one since after my research online this is what I narrowed it down to. Well low and behold it stalled out again twice this morning.
Next I have read blogs about people having their check engine light on and TCS light on... my CE is always on and my TCS comes on and off whenever it feels like it I suppose.
Also I have noticed my navigation turning off and restarting while I am driving-- just put that in there because I saw other people having wacky GPA problems so maybe it's related?
I really can't afford to be taking my car to the shop all the time for them to guess what's wrong...
It has 162k miles on it if that makes any difference and we just had new spark plugs put it because we thought that may have been the problem-
If anyone has any ideas, please let me know!!!! Thank you in advance!!
Sarah
First I looked up the symptoms of my car stalling/turning off randomly at stop signs or stop lights and came up with a faulty ignition switch. I replaced it 5 days ago and it's obviously not the problem.
My issues started about 6 months ago and I hardly even realized it was an issue it happened so infrequently. Now it has progressively gotten worse and worse where I am getting scared to even drive it. Like other posts it has stalled after idling low multiple times in a row. I have never had a problem with starting it back up, it has always started right back up. It has "died" with the gages going blank while driving in traffic so it is not just stalling now when I am stopped. It has happened up to 10 times in one day. The ignition switch recall was replaced in 2002 and like I said above, 5 days ago my fiance put in a brand new one since after my research online this is what I narrowed it down to. Well low and behold it stalled out again twice this morning.
Next I have read blogs about people having their check engine light on and TCS light on... my CE is always on and my TCS comes on and off whenever it feels like it I suppose.
Also I have noticed my navigation turning off and restarting while I am driving-- just put that in there because I saw other people having wacky GPA problems so maybe it's related?
I really can't afford to be taking my car to the shop all the time for them to guess what's wrong...
It has 162k miles on it if that makes any difference and we just had new spark plugs put it because we thought that may have been the problem-
If anyone has any ideas, please let me know!!!! Thank you in advance!!
Sarah
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I know this thread is really old but it seems like a common problem for everyone. I have had this for a while now and it is happening more and more everyday. It is currently at the dealer right now and has been there for almost a week trying to replicate the problem so they can try to figure out what it is. I have already changed out the throttle body, done the recall for the ignition switch and cleaned everything that can be cleaned and so far nothing helped. Hopefully the car has the stalling issue while it is at the dealer so they can figure out what is going on with it. With my luck so far it only happens when I have the car and not at the shop.
#118
I haven't ever had this problem but one thing I haven't seen except for Silver metioning this. I did a Trans swap in my car, and when I did this I decided to pull my Intake Manifold off too, (The EGR system has channels that run in the intake manifold). Here is something you may want to look into, on top of the Intake manifold is a little metal plate held on by like four or six little bolts (I can't remember off hand); pull that plate of and see whether or not the whole thing is caked in carbon soot. (I guess it should be noted too that I have already replaced the fuel pump and filter, I'm running a COI, and i'm also using a Cat delete pipe with the "no fouler" O2 trick) which might I add I was certain was not going to work when I read it off A-zine... but sure enough, no codes, no stalls.
#119
Tell us more about your Cat delete and "no fouler" trick !!!
#120
I can't take credit for it, Excelerate makes a cat delete pipe that has the O2 sensor fitting. So there are these things called "spark plug non fouler", I got mine from autozone. Two come in a package. I forget the size, but they make a size which is the same as the O2 sensor fitting. Take one of the two in the package and widen the hole in it with a drill so that the O2 sensor can be screwed into it. Then take that and screw it into the other plug that comes in the pack and then take all of that and screw it into the O2 sensor fitting in the cat delete. Don't ask me how it works, I'm convinced it's witch craft; but apparently the Non Fouler plugs hold the O2 sensor out of the exhaust stream enough that even though there is no cat it reads the O2 level as being within tolerance. I went 6 months with out CEL. I will admit that the CEL light is on for the O2 sensor, but this is because I have a hole in the flex joint on my headers. The CEL goes away every time I patch the hole; but when my patch inevitably falls off the CEL comes back on.
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