Mokos23

Both stock both in a 6MT and then a 5AT race preferably an 06-08 TSX vs. an 09 TSX in a race.

cybereclipse

agreed...
i would also like to see this

i believe because of the extra torque, the 09 will pull ahead..

dmassott

lol...i could try it at work.but will prob get in trouble

Mokos23

hahahhaha

slickrab

lol, but how are you going to drive both at the same time?

PWAiN

hunterk1

I predict a tie for the 6MT - more torque is offset by more weight... although of course the '09 has VTEC at 5k... it's going to be close.

I would also be interested in seeing an '06 6MT hondatafied -vs- '09 6MT - then they would both have the 5k RPM kick.

Mokos23

maybe a youtube video will pop up of it sometime.

dmassott

lol i have plenty of coworkers my age who would have no problem helping

visuelz

I'm doubting that the 2nd gen TSX will be faster. The difference in curb weight between the 04 and the 09 is over 200 lbs, with the 1st gen having the advantage.

ThirdLane

I'm thinking the first gen will win. Not because I'm biased but the gains in tq is offset by almost 200lbs in weight gain in the second gen. Plus the peak power is absolutely the same from 1st gen(2006-2008) to second gen

visuelz

Wow...did we have the same mind? We posted at the same time.

Mokos23

I took a test drive of the 09 TSX 5AT with the SS/paddle shifters from a dead stop today with the VSA turned off. going through a gears the added torque made the take-off faster, probably about 7.5-8.0 sec 0-60.

Then, when I got home , I took my 04 TSX 5AT on SS with VSA turned off and it was a dog, about 8.5-9.0 sec 0-60.

dom

^ Well, that settles it.

Mokos23

well maybe a drag race, but i can't be in 2 places at once.

hunterk1

I'd believe the '09 would smoke the '04-'05. They don't benefit from the 10+hp gains that the '06-'08 do. I'm still looking for a detailed description of what they did to the motor from '08 to '09: obviously they modified the ECU, since VTEC is lower, but were there other changes in valve size, throttle body etc...?

dom

'smoke' may be a bit of stretch. We are after all talking about high 15 second 1/4 mile cars any way you slice it.

CarbonGray Earl

I think it would be more interesting to see what these cars do on a road-race course or auto-x. The torque flexibility of the new engine might be more important in the situations a tight track might put you in as opposed to a drag race, where you can fully wind the car out.

But I agree with Dom. We're still talking about a rather slow car, regardless.

hunterk1

I don't disagree that both cars are slow; I'd use 'smoke' however to indicate the relative degree by which one car beat the other. If an '09 beat an '04 by, say, 3-4 car lengths, then it smoked it, even if both cars weren't all that fast.

shmork53

I test drove a 09 6mt, compared to my 04 with just a injen sri, it would be close but I think the 04 might win it. Stock vs stock would be even closer, and maybe even turn around the outcome. Its a interesting debate, but we need someone to do a 1/4 mile in one and then right after that jump in a 06 and do the same run. That way there is no driver/conditions advantage.

dom

I really hate discussing this because IMO, it pointless. Neither car serves this purpose well. If I had to guess, I'd say the 09 will be quicker than an 04-05 but then again the only instrimented acceleration testing that was done on an 09 (Jeff at TOV) resulted in a 15.7 1/4 mile. That puts it smack in the middle of 04-08 territory. If not slightly slower. Obviously the 09 tested was green and a number of factors can change those times.

But who really cares about 0.3 seconds.

TSXual

its probally a drivers race...

kjamsf

Had to do it!

HoRRo

Highlights:

To achieve these power gains, the engine has a higher compression ratio, new valve timing, and intake and exhaust flow improvements. A new aluminum and resin composite intake manifold reduces weight over the previous aluminum design, while better insulating the engine's incoming airflow from under-hood heat.

INDUCTION SYSTEM

The TSX's induction system has been reworked to increase airflow volume by nine percent and to create a more aggressive, linear engine sound. The revised inlet design allows cool ambient air to be picked up at the front of the vehicle, and then routed though a high-flow filter assembly. The single-stage lightweight plastic intake manifold has fixed-length intake runners that are tuned in length, diameter and shape to provide an optimal blend of low-rpm torque and high-rpm response. The new manifold incorporates new 48 mm intake runner (up 6 mm from the previous design runners) along with a new throttle-body with a 4 mm larger inlet opening.

CYLINDER HEAD / VALVETRAIN

Larger intake and exhaust valves and revised ports contribute to improved breathing. An increase in compression ratio from 10.5 to 11.0:1 is a significant contributor to the TSX's greater torque output.

EXHAUST SYSTEM

To help boost engine torque, the TSX has a new high-flow, low back-pressure exhaust system that contributes to a 15-percent increase in exhaust flow over the previous TSX.



Source:

http://www.hondanews.com/categories/742/releases/4439

2006 TSX Equivalent:
http://www.hondanews.com/search/release/2836

hunterk1

Thanks for the links. This update is less quantitative than the last one - in '06 they listed the exact diameter changes in many intake/valve/exhaust components in millimeters, this time it's more just "we revised this and that".

musty hustla

any vids yet?