rpate27

So the other day we were coming back from the movies with the buddies and one has a 2.OT passat and my other buddie has a 08 TSX 5AT( i own a 07 6MT)...they deicded to go at it at the stop light and i expected the tsx to pull ahead after the initial lauch because it has a little more power but less torque and weighs less, but the passat kicked ass, im not sure if the guy in the TSX was going all out cuz i could hear the engine and it def was not going all the through VTEC.

Shouldnt the TSX win? it wieghs less and has more high end power

samir786

They are really about the same. I would imagine it be neck and neck. I've driven both (own an '05 tsx).

ThirdLane

Passat wins. Has much more tq and the power difference is like 5hp. Had a 1.8T Jetta GLI spank me. I have a 07 6mt

rpate27

do u think the result would have been different if the road was curvy?...personally i believe the TSX is better through the curves it handles sensually

montebello13

umm lets see edmunds.com reports the passat is about 100 lbs LIGHTER and has 25% MORE torque @ 1800 rpms....

im pretty sure high end power doesn't help from a dead stop

dude, a scion TC beats a TSX from a stop

aaronng

Maybe the Passat had DSG and your buddy used launch control?

Zyuan10

I cried a little inside when I read this...why did you have to remind me

rpate27

naww passat doesnt have DSG its just a conventional 6AT

And as for the weight
Passat: 3344 lb
TSX:3345 lb.....guess its not lighter but still i expected it to keep up when you hit VTEC

Tsx536

If it has more torque, then that's the difference.

Torque gets the car moving, while horsepower keeps it moving.

So off the line, torque wins out.

cuteguy1414

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Are we still wondering why people are jumping into the TL-S bandwagon?

LaZyPiGgY

^ Haha, a TSX is nothing compared to Audi/VW's 2.0T motor.

LukeaTron

That 2.0T engine has a tiny little turbo on it that spools up almost instantly. It's a very well designed for around town driving as is evident by the number of models they stick it in. It's still decent but much less of a stand out up at highway speeds.

If you're planning on racing people in your TSX, gird your loins for a whole bunch of losing.

rpate27

y is the TSX able to edge out the A4 2.0T ( another forum on here) but people believe it wont beat the passat

Zyuan10

are there ANY cars out there that the TSX can beat from launch?

montebello13

edmunds reports 1G TSX as 3250 lbs, maybe you're lookin at 2009 model?

off the line, a quick way i size up cars is Torque and Weight. of course you can't forget front/rear wheel drive, weight balance, tires, etc, but Torque and Weight is great start.

example (sorry zyuan10)

Scion TC 2008
Weight 2965 lbs
Torque 162 @ 4000 rpm

TSX 2008
Weight 3350 lbs
Torque 164 @ 4400 rpm

TSX is a luxury car with some pep... but i still love it.

montebello13

ops forgot explanation...

so the TC engine hits peak Torque slightly faster but the real difference is its pulling 400 less lbs, thats almost 12% difference

Now, with the audi 2.0T that badboy is hitting 200 torque WAY faster @ 1800rpm...
dont see how TSX can beat it off a line, especially since you saw it first hand in a passat...

sorry if i am misunderstanding automobile specs, but its worked for me so far...

rpate27

i think highway pulls between the TSX and the passat wouldve been a different result. What would u guys say?

PrecyseStylez

Learn you car please!.. I just put a whoopin on an 1.8T GLI about a month ago from about 60mph up.. 2 times.. and my clutch was slipping..haha. The 2.0T audi is pretty quick though.. but not that much faster than a TSX.. The best mod for the TSX is the driver mod.. if you have it you should be good every time.. no matter who your racing unless the power is that much greater.

ThirdLane

Yeah from a roll. But I bet you from dig, you will lose. Everytime. I'm able to hang with alot of car from a roll especially from a 60mph roll in 3rd gear. The 1.8T has 180ft of TQ from like a thousand less revs than the k24. So I know my car. I track it alot, the strip and the track. And I wouldn't consider racing from a 60mph a drag race. Any pimple faced teenager could race from a highway speed roll. Next time race that same GLI from dig and I bet you by 60mph he/she will have about 2 to 3 cars on you. Well try to race anything from dig and you'll be surprise how tq challenged we are

PrecyseStylez

I beat one from a dig when i was at the track before also.. and i put 2 cars on him!..haha. We even talked after.. but that was like 3 years ago.. i just mentioned the most recent.. And the last one i raced from a roll wasnt stock.. looked pretty nice and he asked for it not me..

PrecyseStylez

I've raced everything from IS300's to Altima 3.5's, GLI/GTI's, S2000's, Sentra Spec V's.. I either kept up or beat them.. Even handed a Subaru AWD 2.5 (non turbo) his ars! He did get me from a dig.. but caught and left him by the middle of third. Gotta invest in that driver mod!..haha.

rpate27

duuude i can believe the sentra spec V and the GLI's....but the Altima 3.5 will killl us anytime anywhere its stealthy fast...like 5.9 0-60....and an s2000 would just rape us like completely the top end on that car is amazing and soudns liek a jet

LaZyPiGgY

Yeah.. how is it possible that you beat a VQ and the S2000, they must have been shitfaced before the race or something.

LukeaTron

Wheee, I can see where this thread is going. Yay for ridiculous unsupported claims!

dom

The BS is strong in this thread.

rpate27

lol.....i just wanted to know if a TSX wit ha decent driver can keep up with a passat 2.0T. From a roll and from a dig

ThirdLane

No disrespect but you're a bold faced liar. No way TSX can beat let alone hang with a Altima 3.5, S2K, etc. As for you questioning my driver skills, I've logged more time on a strip and/or a road course in my TSX in a weekend than you have in your lifetime. Even though my TSX can do no better than high 14's in the 1/4mile(right now), I've always lit the tree with .540-.570 RT's. So please don't bother with the driver training. You learn your car please. And a Impreza 2.5 is so slow, 0-60 in like 8 second, my mom in her Sante Fe will beat that. And no a TSX with a decent driver will not beat a Passat 2.0T with a decent driver, from dig or a roll. Maybe once it hits around 50-60mph you will pull on him but by then he is gone.

afici0nad0

https://acurazine.com/forums/search.php?searchid=571489

aaronng

Bet the s2k was just minding his own business while the TSX was revving its tits out off the lights!

PrecyseStylez

I dont know why i even posted to this.. Alot of you guys seem to read up on manuals too damn much.. Im not comparing car and driver numbers..haha. We are talking real road scenarios. And i never said i beat those cars.. i said "i hung with some or beat"... Let me clear it up.. I beat the IS300 (modded) from a dig.. I hung with my friends 3.5 Altima from a dig. That was from one block to another but it was an auto.. I mess around with my friend in his S2000 all the time.. never from a dig though.. but we are even for a few gears then he starts to pull away.. the 3.5 Altima pulled me only when i went into 5th from a roll. The AWD Subaru was pretty quick off the line.. he had a few mods and i thought i wasnt gonna catch him.. I beat an 05 model TL auto from a dig.. and that was by about 2 cars.. I ran with a random S2000 from a dig about a month ago before i had to replace my clutch cause it was slipping and if it wasnt slipping i would've handed him his ars! Like i said.. alot of people dont have that driver mod! And i dont rev at anyone.. and dont even start the races.. they find me! They look at my car and think its fast because it looks fast.. but im always willing to shock a few people! Vids will be up here and there this summer of some races.. one of the S2000 and one with a friend of mines G35 Coupe.. I cant speak for any of you.. but i can speak for myself.. Im not running with a stock TSX! You should be shot if you are! Keep it safe out there ladies and gents..

ThirdLane

Truth be told a IS300 is not that fast, even its modded a bit. I whipped a IS300 5spd that was "modded" at the track with my 95 Accord 5spd. The 3.5 Altima you raced, probably had a driver who was clearly an amateur. The S2K also was an amateur. You talk of us talking about magazine numbers. I don't care if we're talking about real world scene or a fantasy world, a TSX cannot and will not kepp up with a S2K or a Altima 3.5. If the drivers of those two cars were anywhere decent, you would be left far behind. I don't care if your TSX is modded, its still not fast unless you have a supercharged engine. And street racing is for losers.

LukeaTron

PrecyseStylez

Street/Track/Road.. doesnt matter.. what amateur doesnt know how to slam their foot down on the pedal with an automatic!!?? can you read kid? The S2000 has no torque also.. the TSX has more torque! Mags claim mid 14's in the S.. well i ran a high 14 with less mods etc. but regardless of that.. its not unbeatable! I wasnt sayin those cars were fast.. just that they had more torque.. I feel like im in high school trying to prove something to you kids..haha. Sorry that your car isnt as fast as you want it to be.. and i cant talk for you and your car.. but i handle my business with mine. Good Luck with it though. Street Racing is for losers?..haha. Nice one..

ThirdLane

s2k has 150+lbs of TQ. To be exact pre 2004 S2K has 153lb/ft of tq while the post 2004 S2K has 162ft/lb of TQ. And it weighs 250lbs less.than a 2004-2008 TSX. Plus its RWD. So a TSX has 164ft/lbs of TQ so not much difference. Well I didn't buy my TSX to be fast. I knew going in that it wasn't fast. And by the way C&D has the 2005 S2000 doing the 1/4 mile in 13.9 at 103mph. As for the TSX 15.7 at 90mph. So you're telling me your "modded" TSX can keep up with a S2K? Please guy get a life and face up to the reality. By the way a stock TSX does 0-60 in 7.5sec while a S2K does it in 5.4sec. A 3.5 Altima 5spd in 5.9sec, 350Z in 5.5sec, the Jetta GLI in 7.1 sec. And your modded TSX probably can't break into the 6 sec range in 0-60. I know my car but do you? You're full of BS

ThirdLane

And Street Racing is for losers

PrecyseStylez

haha.. your starting to sound like the guy from The Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift!.. "This beast has like 500HP with a borla exhaust and does 0 to 60 in like?..." "4.3 seconds.." Im glad you know how to read a brochure! How long did it take you to browse for all those numbers kid?? Geez! I see your really trying to make your point. I've been a member here 4 years longer than you have and not really here to talk out of my ars.. those numbers do mean alot when your comparing cars dont get me wrong.. but "its not the ride, its the rider" haha.. i had to put that in there! I can only laugh this off because you seem really heated for no apparent reason. And even though C&D says this and that.. a few guys here (back in the 04 days) ran faster than 15.7 at the track in stock form. One guy ran i believe 15.1 or 15.2 stock.. i ran 15.5 bone stock. And believe it or not, the TSX was the first car i ever took to the track and that was from my second time at the track. How did i run in the 14's but cant break into the 6 sec. range in 0-60??.. are you kidding me? I'll live with my 14.9 but that was a horrible run. Bald tires.. missed 3rd twice! But still ran 14.9.. I was glad i hit that number but pissed at the same time..

rpate27

i started this thread about a passat and a TSX......look what its turned in to lol

ThirdLane

Well Good for you. One of the first thing I did with my TSX once it was broken in and I clocked a ET of 15 flat at 93mph stock. But I know one thing your car is cannot keep up with a S2K, Altima, etc. You are right its about the driver but I doubt you are a good enough driver to squeeze out the extra second or two out of your car

LaZyPiGgY

This discussion just seems very ridiculous now. Are we talking about two cars from the factory or are we just talking PrecyseStylez's modded TSX and his miracle shifting verses his friend's that are pretty bad at driving and their cars?.

Lets just all agree that bone stock, a TSX is nothing, NOTHING compared to those cars mentioned before, S2000, Altima 3.5, etc with two similar skill level drivers. This is what the OP wanted to know, correct me if I'm wrong.

Done, now the OP has his question answered.

PrecyseStylez

I mentioned that i wasnt stock and that i was talking about "my car". Stock for stock we all should know that a TSX cant keep up to an Atima or S2K. I never said it would or could.. but thanks for pointing that out