Civic Si vs TSX
08-15-2009, 06:06 PM
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Civic Si vs TSX
Me and a friend of mine just went to Honda/Acura Day at Englishtown Raceway Park and decided to run one another after the event. We went to the track to race but we got there late and couldnt register to race.. figures! We did a couple rolls from 2nd gear and 3rd.. He has an 09 Civic Si Sedan with just an injen intake while im running my 04 TSX with I/H/E/Kpro on a street tune.
Side note: If any one of you decide to do a roll with an Si, just make sure he's not in 2nd gear and in Vtec.. they pull pretty hard and will give you a run.
Another thing thats weird is that when we both take off in 2nd we are pretty much even thru the gears but when i ran him from 3rd gear while he was in 2nd gear, he'll get the jump but i end up catching him by the end of 4th.
Here are the vids on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO41Fxbnd1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKCVMN_H8kY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcC5Zc35MM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOSIo7_4LP8
Here we were both in 2nd gear at 3k rpms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH1OUEWHvtI
Side note: If any one of you decide to do a roll with an Si, just make sure he's not in 2nd gear and in Vtec.. they pull pretty hard and will give you a run.
Another thing thats weird is that when we both take off in 2nd we are pretty much even thru the gears but when i ran him from 3rd gear while he was in 2nd gear, he'll get the jump but i end up catching him by the end of 4th.Here are the vids on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO41Fxbnd1w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKCVMN_H8kY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcC5Zc35MM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOSIo7_4LP8
Here we were both in 2nd gear at 3k rpms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH1OUEWHvtI
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Thanks for those. Very inspiring. Wish I had a vid of me dogging my sister's fiance's brother in this old 944 turbo (53k miles)...I think I shattered his illusion that he had a fast car. He pulled away but barely and I had a passenger and my car is completely stock.
08-19-2009, 10:29 AM
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Thanks for those. Very inspiring. Wish I had a vid of me dogging my sister's fiance's brother in this old 944 turbo (53k miles)...I think I shattered his illusion that he had a fast car. He pulled away but barely and I had a passenger and my car is completely stock.
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Originally Posted by PrecyseStylez
Side note: If any one of you decide to do a roll with an Si, just make sure he's not in 2nd gear and in Vtec.. they pull pretty hard and will give you a run. Another thing thats weird is that when we both take off in 2nd we are pretty much even thru the gears but when i ran him from 3rd gear while he was in 2nd gear, he'll get the jump but i end up catching him by the end of 4th.
Another thing thats weird is that when we both take off in 2nd we are pretty much even thru the gears but when i ran him from 3rd gear while he was in 2nd gear, he'll get the jump but i end up catching him by the end of 4th.If you weren't going that fast, then you weren't at the end of 4th and shouldn't say you were.
08-26-2009, 01:34 AM
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Last time I checked the end of 4th is about 110 MPH and you were on public roads. Not to mention the idiocy involved with street racing, which is exactly what you did, why would you drive that fast on a road clearly not designed for those speeds? Granted I don't always agree with the speed limit, but 100+ is unsafe on any public road, no matter who you are.
If you weren't going that fast, then you weren't at the end of 4th and shouldn't say you were.
If you weren't going that fast, then you weren't at the end of 4th and shouldn't say you were.
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Don't street race under any conditions. If you miss track day, then you missed it. Don't take the track to the street.
If you look at the background there are no driveways, traffic lights, stores, nor houses. In one of the vids there were a few stores that i didnt know was there (must've just built them), but it was late in the evening and they were closed. I know that area pretty well and those were the spots that are never congested.
Is the store clerk too much of a stretch for you? Well then consider the stray dog, or the not stray dog that got out and doesn't know that the road isn't safe. Do you have any idea how much damage a dog does at 100 mph? Just a hint, it's not twice the damage at 50, it's way more. Are there deer in your area? Looks like there could be. A deer will total a car at 30 mph. Imagine that same deer at 100. Do you know how much more damage that becomes when the vehicle flying out of control is 5 feet from your vehicle? They'll be picking pieces of you (and all your buddies) out of the ditches and off the roof of that new store you found for months and it'll be on camera since you were video taping the whole thing. Just some good 'ole boys having a good time right? Untill you hit that pothole the farmer carved into the road when he forgot to lift his plow before going across the street a week ago.
My point is simple, all public roads have too many unknown factors to make them viable targets for racing. Keep the racing on the track. I'd love to see some good track vid's, but nothing pisses me off more than someone street racing on a road that looks just like the one my sister and her 4 kids live on.
08-30-2009, 10:09 PM
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Yes I watched the videos. You may try to not race on public roads, but you falied miserably at it and even got a video of yourself failing so miserably at it, repeatedly. Really, you did a pretty good job of it despite your best efforts to not do it. You don't try to avoid something like that, you just avoid it or you don't. The simple fact that you're trying to defend street racing shows that you don't know how to handle a vehicle. Professional race car drivers know exactly how stupid street racing is, don't do it, and will be more than happy to tell you to not do it too. Really, ask one. Real life isn't the fast and the furious, 100% of those stunts were done on closed circuit tracks and none were done in vehicles any of us here could ever get a the garage.
Don't street race under any conditions. If you miss track day, then you missed it. Don't take the track to the street.
I looked in the background. I noticed a few buildings that I guess were those few stores that you didn't know were there. Wait a second, you didn't know they were there? I thought you said you only street race when you know the road is clear. If you didn't know there was a store, you certainly didn't know if the road was clear or not. An evening store clerk going home after a long day of restocking the store and taking care of a dropped bag of flour is definitely not a clear road. That's what the track is for. It really is clear and you don't have to worry about that clerk on her way home.
Is the store clerk too much of a stretch for you? Well then consider the stray dog, or the not stray dog that got out and doesn't know that the road isn't safe. Do you have any idea how much damage a dog does at 100 mph? Just a hint, it's not twice the damage at 50, it's way more. Are there deer in your area? Looks like there could be. A deer will total a car at 30 mph. Imagine that same deer at 100. Do you know how much more damage that becomes when the vehicle flying out of control is 5 feet from your vehicle? They'll be picking pieces of you (and all your buddies) out of the ditches and off the roof of that new store you found for months and it'll be on camera since you were video taping the whole thing. Just some good 'ole boys having a good time right? Untill you hit that pothole the farmer carved into the road when he forgot to lift his plow before going across the street a week ago.
My point is simple, all public roads have too many unknown factors to make them viable targets for racing. Keep the racing on the track. I'd love to see some good track vid's, but nothing pisses me off more than someone street racing on a road that looks just like the one my sister and her 4 kids live on.
Don't street race under any conditions. If you miss track day, then you missed it. Don't take the track to the street.
I looked in the background. I noticed a few buildings that I guess were those few stores that you didn't know were there. Wait a second, you didn't know they were there? I thought you said you only street race when you know the road is clear. If you didn't know there was a store, you certainly didn't know if the road was clear or not. An evening store clerk going home after a long day of restocking the store and taking care of a dropped bag of flour is definitely not a clear road. That's what the track is for. It really is clear and you don't have to worry about that clerk on her way home.
Is the store clerk too much of a stretch for you? Well then consider the stray dog, or the not stray dog that got out and doesn't know that the road isn't safe. Do you have any idea how much damage a dog does at 100 mph? Just a hint, it's not twice the damage at 50, it's way more. Are there deer in your area? Looks like there could be. A deer will total a car at 30 mph. Imagine that same deer at 100. Do you know how much more damage that becomes when the vehicle flying out of control is 5 feet from your vehicle? They'll be picking pieces of you (and all your buddies) out of the ditches and off the roof of that new store you found for months and it'll be on camera since you were video taping the whole thing. Just some good 'ole boys having a good time right? Untill you hit that pothole the farmer carved into the road when he forgot to lift his plow before going across the street a week ago.
My point is simple, all public roads have too many unknown factors to make them viable targets for racing. Keep the racing on the track. I'd love to see some good track vid's, but nothing pisses me off more than someone street racing on a road that looks just like the one my sister and her 4 kids live on.
BTW.. there were no houses on that "road" not "street" i ran on and the speed limit on that road was 60mph. I wouldnt want to live on that "road" anyway.. nothing there but one small section of stores and no homes! No reason to reply just keep it moving.
08-30-2009, 11:44 PM
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Its more about where you start a roll from. I started closer to his sweet spot so thats what helped him stay close. Its only street tune which frees up HP but not full potential. If i start anywhere near 4K rpms i pull 3 cars instantly. I was surprised he stayed that close as well. And to think i stay with my friends 298 HP G35 until 4th gear when he starts to slowly pull away. With a Dyno tune I should be able to improve my top end but for now i mainly just have a strong low/mid range.
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Its more about where you start a roll from. I started closer to his sweet spot so thats what helped him stay close. Its only street tune which frees up HP but not full potential. If i start anywhere near 4K rpms i pull 3 cars instantly. I was surprised he stayed that close as well. And to think i stay with my friends 298 HP G35 until 4th gear when he starts to slowly pull away. With a Dyno tune I should be able to improve my top end but for now i mainly just have a strong low/mid range.
that's right
those SI's and that second gear is fierce I know u have slot more power to free up. Get ur dyno tune and you should be happy with the result. Nice pulls btw. Try and take it easy in the streets though
08-31-2009, 01:05 PM
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04 TSX cams aren't all that good to begin with. If I had 06+ TSX cams i'd probably see better gains uptop. And 115K miles to boot!
btw how much did the kpro cost u?
09-08-2009, 01:55 AM
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sick videos i wish i had some engine work on my car... bone stock driving it is soo boring haha but hey the car hopefully last me a long time since i never messed around with the motor 
10-24-2009, 08:36 AM
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Interesting. I went from an 08 Si sedan with H&R suspension and wheels to an 04 6spd TSX(that now only has Neuspeed suspension) and noticed a considerable difference in performance.The Si was much quicker at the track,but the TSX is much quicker around town.Different power bands has alot to do with it.I still appreciate having a more grown up vehicle.
03-21-2011, 10:28 AM
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Interesting videos. Neat to see how the "Type-R" or "Type-S" Accord performs next to the more overtly sporty Si. I'd like to do this at an autox or track.
ItchyToe has a point, impromptu racing like this is hazardous, no matter how the participants argue that it was reasonably safe. Some precautions help, like having someone run 1/4 or 1/2 mile ahead and radio back for obstructions, hazards, etc. But then ... precautions is what going to a formal track day or autocross is all about. The organizers have done the prep to all but guarantee safety and fun for all.
I know OP weighed the pros and cons, and knows the road, blah blah blah, but the point is that a public post like this can be interpreted by some dumb@55 as "see, it's easy and safe," and go out and get killed or (worse) kill someone else.
Bad idea. We need to be clear here in Acurazine that there are safe, acceptable ways to enjoy your TSX, and test the boundaries of its performance, and little or no preparation or investment is necessary. (I.e. if you spent $2500 on your suspension, tune, intake, etc., then $150 for track day instruction or $35 for an autocross is a negligible expense. IMHO.)
I'm not trying to denigrate or insult OP, just want others to who read this thread to know there are safe and legal ways to do the same thing illustrated in the videos, ways that will not cost you your license or your (or others') life. Search for SCCA or NASA or Google for a local Honda/Acura car club.
ItchyToe has a point, impromptu racing like this is hazardous, no matter how the participants argue that it was reasonably safe. Some precautions help, like having someone run 1/4 or 1/2 mile ahead and radio back for obstructions, hazards, etc. But then ... precautions is what going to a formal track day or autocross is all about. The organizers have done the prep to all but guarantee safety and fun for all.
I know OP weighed the pros and cons, and knows the road, blah blah blah, but the point is that a public post like this can be interpreted by some dumb@55 as "see, it's easy and safe," and go out and get killed or (worse) kill someone else.
Bad idea. We need to be clear here in Acurazine that there are safe, acceptable ways to enjoy your TSX, and test the boundaries of its performance, and little or no preparation or investment is necessary. (I.e. if you spent $2500 on your suspension, tune, intake, etc., then $150 for track day instruction or $35 for an autocross is a negligible expense. IMHO.)I'm not trying to denigrate or insult OP, just want others to who read this thread to know there are safe and legal ways to do the same thing illustrated in the videos, ways that will not cost you your license or your (or others') life. Search for SCCA or NASA or Google for a local Honda/Acura car club.
03-21-2011, 12:10 PM
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Nice videos!! Too bad the TSX didn't come like yours from the factory. In stock form they just aren't that quick. If the TSX had come with a J30A4 6spd then I would have purchased that over my accord coupe. Have you taken your TSX to the track yet?
01-13-2012, 02:00 PM
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Thanks for the bump, I enjoyed watching, and must have missed this before. Knowing what your car can do is important; I, however, think that more people should practise braking.
BTW, the most dangerous thing I do while driving, is to actually stop where and when I'm supposed to, for stop signs, and for red lights, and not just because I've been teaching the kids to drive. And no, we don't try to piss people off, and don't brake suddenly when in traffic; hitting the backs of our cars just seems to come naturally to too many drivers, even if there is a bus in front of me.
So, I don't street race, but I watch out for, and seem to have no problem with, other people who do, probably because I've seen so many other bone-headed moves on the road that I know that speed isn't the problem - the drivers are.
But I do miss trips to Shannonville, and to Mosport. My son, however, turns 16 this year, and we've been going go-carting, instead, in preparation. It's really annoying, actually, that he can't pass me in the corners, but can walk by me on the straights...sort of like Civics and TSX's on the street - but the physics rule, so why bother, except that it's annoying!
BTW, the most dangerous thing I do while driving, is to actually stop where and when I'm supposed to, for stop signs, and for red lights, and not just because I've been teaching the kids to drive. And no, we don't try to piss people off, and don't brake suddenly when in traffic; hitting the backs of our cars just seems to come naturally to too many drivers, even if there is a bus in front of me.
So, I don't street race, but I watch out for, and seem to have no problem with, other people who do, probably because I've seen so many other bone-headed moves on the road that I know that speed isn't the problem - the drivers are.
But I do miss trips to Shannonville, and to Mosport. My son, however, turns 16 this year, and we've been going go-carting, instead, in preparation. It's really annoying, actually, that he can't pass me in the corners, but can walk by me on the straights...sort of like Civics and TSX's on the street - but the physics rule, so why bother, except that it's annoying!
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