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Old 05-07-2009, 01:38 PM
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Autocross?

Anyone autocross with TSX? How's your experience?

I'm going to go in 2 weeks
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Mephisrheins and i went back 2 years ago.

Quite fun you rip alot of your tires.
make sure to turn off vsa
lower some psi in your tires to give yourself a bit more grip is what some suggested.

do a run through your first time even the first time with the driver and without i missed a turn or two.

let you car cool in between and have fun enjoy!
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cool.. Turn off VSA? I asked some friends and they said they are not brave enough to turn it off in the rain.

Did you use stock tires?

Lower PSI? How much?
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I go as well when i have time. You will have a blast. VSA off for sure. I'm on stock tires. You'll have to play with PSI depending on the course and what you like.

I had a thread in here about auto-x but the mods deleted it for some reason!?!!
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How stock was your car when you went to auto-x?
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Originally Posted by fanbanlo
cool.. Turn off VSA? I asked some friends and they said they are not brave enough to turn it off in the rain.

Did you use stock tires?

Lower PSI? How much?
In the rain? Yeah, leave VSA on. That's the only time I leave it on. Driving with VSA off in the rain is a bad idea, IMO.

But why would you autocross in the rain in the first place?
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haha.. who knows if it's gonna rain or not... auto-x needs to be signed up days in advanced.
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Originally Posted by Audioserf
But why would you autocross in the rain in the first place?
Why not? Check this video out,

http://vwong.net/videos/la2005-02-20.3.mpg ** please right click and save as**

This was back in 2005 when I was auto-x'ing my Prelude. The rain was very light during my 1st run, but it started pouring before my 2nd run, and continued into my 3rd run (which was in the video). I ended up beating all the WRX's in my class that event. Who said AWD has advantage over FWD?

fanbanlo, is your car stock? As someone has mentioned, turn off the VSA (doesn't matter whether it's sunny or raining). For auto-x, if it's dry, you actually want to raise the tire pressures a little, try around 40psi all around first. If the car understeers too much, try raising the rear pressures a few psi. If it's wet, then lower the tire pressures. You may start at around 33psi in that case. The most important thing is walk the course before the run. And during the run, make sure to look ahead.
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Great, thanks for the tips.

My car is all stock except comptech RSB, installing next week.
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Opps it was raise your tire pressure. (forgot that haven't gone in ages) now i remember why i needed an air compressor.

vsa off that way you'll get some fun out of your car =)
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Is there an alignment configuration that works well for normal daily use as well as for auto-x?

Also, did you guys usually just stay at 2nd gear throughout the course??

So excited...
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Depending on how serious you want to get into auto-x, that CT rear swaybar will through you out of Stock class, and put you into either Street Touring or Street Prepared classes. Does it matter? Probably not, because the TSX isn't a competitive car in any of those classes anyway. Just go out and have fun!

As for alignment, I just set all the toe settings to zero when I was heavily involved in auto-x back in 99-05. If you don't mind a little tire wear, you could set the front total toe to no more than 1/8" out. Anymore than that, you're just adding excessive tire wear, and very unstable in highway speed. Front toe-out will help your corner entry.

Most auto-x courses are designed not to exceed highway speed, so you'll be mostly in 2nd gear. Occasionally, there maybe some courses where you could get into 3rd for short period of time. Check out the video below. I was in my Integra, and the course design was so different in areas that I had to use 3rd at one part, and downshifted to 1st toward the end of the course.

http://vwong.net/videos/sd2002-09-08.2.mpg **please right click and save as**
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Originally Posted by vwong
Depending on how serious you want to get into auto-x, that CT rear swaybar will through you out of Stock class, and put you into either Street Touring or Street Prepared classes. Does it matter? Probably not, because the TSX isn't a competitive car in any of those classes anyway. Just go out and have fun!
That's exactly what I am thinking...
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So you didn't drive your TSX @ auto-x? TSX is not in any of your auto-x video..

Can you drive TSX @ 6krpm+ @ auto-x? The reason being... I wonder if Hondata helps or not at an auto-x.
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Originally Posted by fanbanlo
So you didn't drive your TSX @ auto-x? TSX is not in any of your auto-x video..

Can you drive TSX @ 6krpm+ @ auto-x? The reason being... I wonder if Hondata helps or not at an auto-x.
I only auto-x'ed my TSX maybe twice when it was bone stock. I wasn't serious about running it. I just wanted to see how the car felt on an auto-x course. The car handled ok. I could definitely feel the weight of the car, and there was quite a bit of body roll.

Hondata probably helps a little, but auto-x is all about handling and driver skills.
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Originally Posted by vwong
I only auto-x'ed my TSX maybe twice when it was bone stock. I wasn't serious about running it. I just wanted to see how the car felt on an auto-x course. The car handled ok. I could definitely feel the weight of the car, and there was quite a bit of body roll.

Hondata probably helps a little, but auto-x is all about handling and driver skills.
+1. HP doesn't play as big of a role in auto-x.
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Should I remove the spare tire from the trunk @ auto-x?

Anything else I need? I don't need to bleed the brake right?
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Originally Posted by fanbanlo
Should I remove the spare tire from the trunk @ auto-x?

Anything else I need? I don't need to bleed the brake right?
Removing the spare tire and bleeding your brake lines will definitely help, but it's not necessary. If it's been over 30k since you're last brake fluid flush, you should bleed your brakes.
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I went my first time and mephis still was faster than me.

I think my lap time best was a 69 worst was a 74
audi a4 78
mephis was consistent 64 ish or something.
fastest rsx 59 seconds

He has way more experience i pushed it cuz i had hondata to help me out which he agreed on.
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I have had to auto-x in the rain before as well. Not fun with the open diff but does teach you a lot.

Depending on how serious the tech guys are they will make you remove the spare and all the tools.

As mentioned previously the rsb takes you out of hs. In hs I have managed to do not so bad with the tsx, once youre out though...

Also key is the walk through as mentioned already.

Depending on the course there have been races where i have been solely in 1st gear (i have an auto). If there is a course where i need to shift into 2nd and back down into 1st it really slows things down.
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I've autocrossed a few times. You will learn real quickly how terrible the stock tires are. Replace them with sticky ones and the TSX is pretty competitive
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So much fun.... stock tires understeer in every turn!

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for those who have auto-x'ed with tsx, how did u combat with the sluggish throttle response?
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Originally Posted by fanbanlo
for those who have auto-x'ed with tsx, how did u combat with the sluggish throttle response?
I never had an issue with throttle response in autox. It's only noticeable if you jab at the throttle, which you should never be doing anyways. Make smooth inputs, and you will never notice
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what is the purpose of VSA?? what does it do?
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Originally Posted by robles325
what is the purpose of VSA?? what does it do?
It's basically traction and stability control. You want to turn it off during autocross because it can limit how well your car will perform. I'm not sure how it reacts though because I've never used it in a race. I've only had it kick in if I spin the tires
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Originally Posted by TommySalami
It's basically traction and stability control. You want to turn it off during autocross because it can limit how well your car will perform. I'm not sure how it reacts though because I've never used it in a race. I've only had it kick in if I spin the tires
oh okay thanks for the explanation
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Originally Posted by robles325
what is the purpose of VSA?? what does it do?
Vehicle Stability Assist kicks in when it detects a tire slipping. It'll reduce the engine's power and use the brakes on each individual wheel as needed to bring the car back into control. For example, if the car is understeering (e.g., it's not turning enough), it may decide to apply the brakes to the inside wheels to slow down that side and make the car turn more. On the other hand, if it detects oversteer, it might apply the brakes to the outside wheels.

So, if you're autocrossing, and your wheels start slipping (e.g., if you have stock tires...lol), the car will cut your power down and slow you down...
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TSX is not a super fun car to AutoX with, but I still had fun learning how to drive such a heavy car with stock tires with no traction.

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It may not be the fastest thing out there, but I enjoy the challenge, and it makes it that much more sweet when I beat people with faster cars
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