memphisraines26

I know this has been done and I'm posting what I'm using

95 Honda Odyssey front bearings and hubs. They are 5x114.3 and use the same part # 44200-SX0-008 bearings. This will allow rotor over hub vs stock hub over rotor setup. This means bigger brake options and easier maintenance. then I purchased '99 TL 5x114 Centric aftermarket front rotors since they have oem style push bolt holes and hub-centric screw holes. They are 11.8 rotors vs 11.2 inch rotors and thicker. Stopping it all will be '99 TL front calipers with Hawk HPS pads.

The rear I have the Odyssey hubs but probably won't work since they are a hub drum brake. Didn't realize this before hand but this is a simple fix. I will then get the '99 TL rear rotors since they are almost an inch bigger as well but same pad as oem so not sure if I will get the bigger rear rotors yet. I'd hate to spend the extra cash on another set of calipers vs finding a way of getting a caliper spacer bracket to push the caliper location out to accommodate the larger rotor.

Edit: New Info

Front
1995 Honda Odyssey/
1996 Acura 2.5TL bearings are the same part # 44200-SX0-008
1995 Honda Odyssey 5x114.3 hubs
1999 Acura TL Calipers
1999 Acura RL 11.8 rotors
Hawk HPS pads

Rear
97-01 Honda Prelude rear bearings 5x114.3
97-01 Honda Prelude rear rotors
Hawk HPS pads
not sure if difference in aftermarket hubs or the spindle is just longer on the 2.5 to prelude so I used some parts to mod the caliper bracket offset and hub spacing.
Fastenal washer/bushings part # 33469 1.375 Inside Diameter 2.125 Outside Diameter 10gauge
M10x1.25 30mm Flange bolt
3 M10 8 gauge washers per bolt for correct caliper bracket offset

Wheels are going to be AP1 S2000 OEM wheels for now to clear all of this.

TLin401

Why dont you go with the dual piston Legend calipers in the front?

tmnhs81

memphisraines26

I was going on guidance from a brake guru. I pitched the idea of S2000 or Legend GS calipers but the '99 TL calipers were a good choice with the bigger rotors. Plus it was $45 for the pair.

Put my order in for new ball joint/tie rod boots and castle nuts from
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/delray/jsp/home.jsp

memphisraines26

Ok so I got the wrong info/unclear message about the rotors. I re-ordered for a '99 RL instead of '99 TL. The Odyssey hub is larger 70.1mm vs '99 TL 64mm. So they are shipped and waiting to finish this side up to show it off.

lilscoots

I was wondering if I could use my stock calipers with the odyssey rotors or if odyssey calipers would bolt onto my TL knuckles....does anyone know this? I've been looking online at all kinds of 4to5 rotor-over-hub forums and can't seem to find this info.

memphisraines26

check to see if the rotor is the same size. the calipers should bolt up if they have the clearance over the rotor.

vipstar

Interesting

memphisraines26

I should have painted the rotors before hand. the rust looks nasty! lol

I will paint them when I do the rears.

TLin401

BlacknWhite23

So, 95 Odyssey calipers/rotors and 99 RL calipers/rotors? They all just bolt up? no new brake lines?

I need new rotors for my 98 2.5 so I was looking at maybe upgrading. I would need to change out to a 5 lug wheel, which would suck, but would be better off.

memphisraines26

I'm only using the 95 Odyssey 5 lug hubs. Then 99 TL calipers with 99 RL rotors.

No new lines needed. Just bolted the line to the new caliper. Used the matching caliper bracket. Then bled the brake lines.

I think there is a better selection for 5x114 wheesl over 16" than in 4x114

BlacknWhite23

Maybe I am confused. What did you put on the back then?

For sure alot more wheels out there 5 lug than 4 lug.

memphisraines26

I haven't completed the rears yet. I had planned to use the same Odyssey rears but can't far as I know now.

philipsajerk

Please do a DIY when you finish with the rear!

DiegosAnotherR1

The rear should be the easiest. Just use the hubs, and rotors from a 3.2TL.

memphisraines26

dang I really havent been on here for a long time.

I ordered the rear parts finally. Family issues delayed the progress. I'm going to use the 99 Prelude rear hubs, rear rotors, and Hawk HPS pads. I searched more and anything bigger than the OEM 259mm rear rotors dont use a caliper with built in ebrake cable, they use the hub ebrake. The Prelude rear hubs are 42.2 in height vs the stock 2.5 63.6. I didnt want to use the 3.2TL rear hub with the 79.8mm height and push the wheels further out. plans are to get some better offset wheels eventually and the shorter hubs will give me more room to work with. That would help you 'phillipsajerk' with your 17x10 +20 wheels.

I will try to make a decent DIY for the fronts and rears when I complete the swap. I didn't take enough pics of the front for a proper DIY writeup.

memphisraines26

the last of my parts arrived today. So have 00 prelude rear hubs, 00 prelude rear rotors, and Hawk HPS pads. I also installed the 98 3.2 rear wheel studs since they are the longest oem studs so I can use some spacers. painted the rotor hats and installed the studs tonight. will swap it all tomorrow!!

main70072

Can't wait to see this.

memphisraines26

UGH this didnt work!! the hub inside length was to short. When I put the washer in before the axle nut, I had slack in the hub. Then test fit the rear AP1 +65 wheel with tire hit. so I couldn't put them on today anyways. I guess I need to see if I can fit a washer on the backside of the hub? I want to get different wheels anyways with like a +40 or less offset. On top of it all, it started raining 12 hours ahead of forecast.

main70072

Yeah, you could try washer(s) in the back to bring it out further. Sounds like it might work.

memphisraines26

well thinking more about it, I will have to put a washer in front under the slotted retaining washer. If i put the extra washer in back, it will push the rotor out as well and mess with the caliper braking and the caliper bracket.

not giving up, just making it all work for others info.

main70072

Oh, I thought you meant that the hubs are not far out enough. Well in that case, put the washer(s) in the front.

memphisraines26

yeh the hubs are shorter but the washer in rear would affect the caliper lining up. I just need a way to tighten up the hub assembly so it's not sloppy. oh well not given up yet!

memphisraines26

well I failed to take pics of all this but I did get the rear done!!

I think when Colt did this he must have machined the rear spindle down a lil bit. I got a machine bushing 10 guage big enough to slide over the spindle and thick enough for the axle nut to tighten it all up.



then came problem #2. even though the hub was shorter with matching rotor, it was taller than the old one. so I had to shim the caliper bracket out with grade 8 washers .25" with new flange bolts to get the bracket in the middle of the rotor.





It's all swapped over and still not sure exactly how it's so different. Maybe I should have just did the 3.2 rear setup after all. to late now unless I decide to switch it up later.

main70072

Looks good! Need more pics and an organized list of what you've used for both fronts and rears.

memphisraines26

Front
1995 Honda Odyssey/
1996 Acura 2.5TL bearings are the same part # 44200-SX0-008
1995 Honda Odyssey 5x114.3 hubs
1999 Acura TL Calipers
1999 Acura RL 11.8 rotors
Hawk HPS pads

Rear
97-01 Honda Prelude rear bearings 5x114.3
97-01 Honda Prelude rear rotors
Hawk HPS pads
not sure if difference in aftermarket hubs or the spindle is just longer on the 2.5 to prelude so I used some parts to mod the caliper bracket offset and hub spacing.
Fastenal washer/bushings part # 33469 1.375 Inside Diameter 2.125 Outside Diameter 10gauge
M10x1.25 30mm Flange bolt
3 M10 8 gauge washers per bolt for correct caliper bracket offset

white2.5tl

rough estimate of how much it cost you on parts?

memphisraines26

pads f&r $100
rotors f&r $100
rear hubs $100
front hubs $100 used
misc $15

Natske

I personally like the 5 lug over the 4 plus its an added bolt to secure the tire, Since I sometimes race this is a good thing.

philipsajerk

a 3.2tl rear hub and rotor is a direct bolton on a 2.5?

memphisraines26

Should be. I didn't use them. I used the prelude hub and rotor

vipstar

Had i not found a set of 4lug 20's that i like I would have def jumped on this diy. I'm not that savvy when it comes to this type of stuff but it seemed pretty simple except "I think when Colt did this he must have machined the rear spindle down a lil bit. I got a machine bushing 10 guage big enough to slide over the spindle and thick enough for the axle nut to tighten it all up." You lost me there. lol.

memphisraines26

haha I have everything listed to do the swap. 20s on a TL seems a bit over the top for sizing IMHO

vipstar

Yeah I get that a lot. I just hate how most 17 & 18" wheels look tuner, I hate stock wheels, and I'm going for the luxury look. I don't think my car looks bad now. I just need to get it repainted and get the airride installed.

memphisraines26

dont look for tuner wheels then. Some BBS in 17" or 18", Works of almost any kind, or some newer chrome wheels.

main70072

I just did the rears yesterday, and the 3.2TL hub bearing rotor assembly are a direct bolt-on replacement for us 2.5TL. Still waiting on the parts for the fronts.

Tucker Mitchell

Quick question from a first time poster, long time lurker-

I have access to a 99 3.2TL for free. Car rolled, so much of it is no good. However, I am wondering what parts off of this car I can use in upgrading my 96 2.5's brakes. Will the hubs/rotors/caliper setup fit on all four corners? It's only been like 5 degrees here for the last two weeks so I want to make sure this is going to be worth my time before I have to freeze my ass off getting these parts off at the yard. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows this answer.

main70072

The front calipers will work only if you convert using the exact parts in this thread. I doubt anything else will work because the cars are two complete different chassis designs. The only reason why we were able to convert to 5 lugs was because the 1G Odysseys share the same front bearings, which could then be mounted to our spindle assemblies, and therefore use their 5 lug hubs.

OLDMNSX

One of you guys has to have a set of 4 bolt 15 in OEM wheels for a 96-98 2.5 TL that you want to get rid of. Send me a text with pictures and price, 2 zero 8-631-1425
Thanks,
Brad